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Why BMW Making the A90 Supra is a good thing

I've heard a lot of people complain about it, but I don't think it's a bad thing at all.

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When it was first announced that the 2020 Toyota Supra was going to be built in cooperation with BMW, many Toyota purists and Supra fanboys lost their minds. Cries of "It's not a real Toyota!" or "BMWs are terrible" or "It will be unreliable" could be heard around the world. I, for one, have yet to figure out why. This may be due to the fact that I am not as much of an 'import guy' as some of the outraged fans, and as a result I haven't been clued in enough to know that what really makes the legendary 4th generation (MK4) Supra so great is the fact that it was made by Toyota, rather than the fact that it was faster and more affordable that competitors and performed well while looking good...which wouldn't make any sense.

To address the complaints about the Toyota purity (or lack thereof) regarding the MK5, here is a fun fact for all of you: the 2JZ engine from the MK4 was based heavily upon the 1JZ which was designed by Toyota in cooperation with Yamaha...i.e. not 100% Toyota developed. With the notable exception of Koenigsegg, car manufactures have and always will outsource for some or many of their parts. This is a fact of modern car production and should be accepted. Now, it is true that the BMW engine in the Supra is the only engine that Toyota outsourced, but I don't see why that is bad at all. For most of us out there who don't even own one, it doesn't matter. For the few that do, you should be glad because it kept production costs low for Toyota and by extension it kept the purchase price lower for you.

To address the complaints about the engine being a BMW: have any of you ever seen or heard an E46 M3? What about an E39 M5, an E92 M3, or the E82 1 Series M coupe? BMW makes great sports cars that have great engines. I don't understand why that would be a bad thing. I would be 100% okay with having the roots of a BMW M car in my own sports car. It is true that the 2JZ was notoriously reliable, as with most Toyota models, and BMWs are traditionally less reliable. The location of the timing chain in the MK5 could cause future problems with maintenance on the car...tine will tell. Still, I'd say that overall, this is a major plus for the MK5. If you still don't agree, listen to this at the 1:10 mark to the end and then try again:

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To address still more BMW related complaints, this time focused on the interior: the interior of the new Supra is straight out of a Z4...yet people are upset because somehow they see this as a bad thing. The interiors in BMWs are levels above their Toyota equivalents. I have never once heard somebody declare that the quality, comfort, and luxury of a Toyota's interior is the reason they purchased their new Camry, and I doubt that anybody anywhere has said that. However, people do buy BMWs for that exact reason. If Toyota wants to partner up with BMW and the Supra gets the deluxe interior treatment from BMW, I'm all for it.

To conclude, I think that the partnership between BMW and Toyota benefited the MK5 Supra more than a lot of people give it credit for. Now, most of those people do not own one or have not been inside of one, and having experienced one firsthand, I am convinced that it is an epic car. All of the owners I have met love theirs too. I highly recommend a ride along or test drive in one so that you can see for yourself what it is like. Get in a 2021 if you can, since the updates for the newer year model are significant and improved a lot on what I think was already a great sports car.

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Comments (12)

  • dude I agree with you.

      22 days ago
  • As more of a Japanese car person let me explain. It’s not so much the collaboration with BMW as it is how much BMW DNA is in it and the performance bracket of it. Here’s the main issues. The BMW engine. Many of us wanted a powerful V6 that came from Toyota. They had plenty of Lexus engines to choose from. Secondly it’s not a GT-R competitor. The A80 Supra was made as a response to Nissan’s Skyline GT-R at the time. Lastly the Supra name. If Toyota called it anything other than the Supra they car would get the credit it deserves. Many people agree with me when I say this. The A90 is a great car, but a terrible Supra.

      16 days ago
    • Solid explanation. I think your GT-R/Skyline comment is the most compelling part of what you said, that's a good point

        16 days ago
  • The car is great, it really is. Its just the fact that its 90% BMW that kills us Supra purists. Now if the Body was BMW but the engineade by Toyota, then thats a different story. Its a branding issue for us I guess.

      22 days ago
  • I recon Toyota will gain a lot. People who comment about BMW being unreliable don't know what they are talking about. I have never had any problems with any of my cars. One of them is 12 years old and still has factory clutch. Another point is Toyota rarely had good engine. I also own Corolla Sportivo. It is limited edition Corolla built on Celica chassis. Just like Celica it has superb engine, but it was developed by Yamaha. And Toyota 86 is not exactly Toyota either. New Supra is a great car. And it will be even better soon, when manual transmission will be available.

      23 days ago
  • Now Yes BMW has made the Supra cheaper and a "better" car, but that means the Supra isn't unique like the old one

    Kinda like if Ferrari would use parts from Alfa Romeo, it extracts the soul and character of what it could've been

      23 days ago
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